Brzezinski worried about Russia mentioning nuclear weapons.
German defence minister L says not to underestimate military readiness as regards the Baltic states.
B: Risk that Western aid to Ukraine will not be effective
L very high costs t. Russia
Also sustainable growth in German defence budget. Close to 4 percent more next year.
Slow decision-making in NATO?
B. Maybe but wait for the US to react...
L. And economic sanctions do hurt.
B. But Russian action may provoke collapse of Ukrainian economy.
L on European army: good to have common labour market - so for defence we can also do more within the framework of the Lisbon treaty. The French German brigade is in Mali.
Need to strengthen Tunisia.
B. Russia global danger in the sense of producing threats which might damage. Issue not just in terms of Ukraine.Joint interest to resolve.